The Vaping Post: End of April, the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) published a report on e-cigarette that received a large coverage by the media. What do you think of this report?
Clive Bates: The RCP drew together a panel of experts to provide a synthesis of the science and policy issues. It is a very good piece of work and designed to help policy-makers, campaigners, commentators and consumers understand the science.
I would say there are three really important findings.
First, the RCP gives a carefully worded statement on the relative risk of smoking and vaping, reflecting the reality that we don’t know everything about long term effects and can’t know until several decades have passed. However, because we don’t know everything it does not mean we know nothing.
“Although it is not possible to precisely quantify the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure”. (Section 5.5 page 87)
Given that in 2016, only 15% of the British public accurately believe that electronic cigarettes are a lot less harmful than smoking and 47% of Americans think vaping is no less harmful than smoking, this statement is designed both to reset perceptions of risk to a level much closer to reality, but also to acknowledge uncertainty in both directions, with the stress on the risk being likely to be even less that 5% of smoking.
There are concerns that e-cigarettes will increase tobacco smoking by renormalising the act of smoking, acting as a gateway to smoking in young people, and being used for temporary, not permanent, abstinence from smoking. To date, there is no evidence that any of these processes is occurring to any significant degree in the UK. Rather, the available evidence to date indicates that e-cigarettes are being used almost exclusively as safer alternatives to smoked tobacco, by confirmed smokers who are trying to reduce harm to themselves or others from smoking, or to quit smoking completely (Key Recommendations).
A risk-averse, precautionary approach to e-cigarette regulation can be proposed as a means of minimising the risk of avoidable harm, e.g. exposure to toxins in e-cigarette vapour, renormalisation, gateway progression to smoking, or other real or potential risks. However, if this approach also makes e-cigarettes less easily accessible, less palatable or acceptable, more expensive, less consumer friendly or pharmacologically less effective, or inhibits innovation and development of new and improved products, then it causes harm by perpetuating smoking. Getting this balance right is difficult. (Section 12.10 page 187)
This is the most critical paragraph in the whole report in my view, and it is where every regulator has gone wrong – the European Union, the FDA in the United States, and the WHO internationally. Without exception, regulators are failing this test and introducing regulation that does more harm than good, apparently oblivious to the squandered opportunity and casual harm they are causing.
The Vaping Post: What are the current fears about it?
The tobacco companies used to lie about smoking 30 years ago, but we are seeing some really deceitful statements about e-cigarettes from public health experts today. The noise about e-cigarette coming from some establishment figures is so misguided scientifically and ethically that it should be dismissed without comment. But sadly, it remains influential in politics and regulation.
The Vaping Post: Do you think regulators are only ignorants or maybe corrupted by lobbies like tobacco industry and/or pharmaceutical industry?
It is the hyperbole and distortions of the public health lobby that are the underlying cause of over-zealous regulation, and it will do the exact opposite of what they want – protect Big Tobacco. These health and medical organisations carry a lot more weight and respectability than either the tobacco or pharma industry, but they hardly know anything about business, markets and innovation. I blame them for their arrogance and ignorance, and I think some of their distortions and hype are now worse than the tobacco industry ever was.
The Vaping Post: What is your opinion on flavors in e-liquids?
Nothing new going on. It was the EU, led by the UK, that banned snus, which has a good deal more science to back up its claims of reduced harm then vaping.
The tobacco control groups have so demonized smokeless tobacco in the US that the vast majority of people believe smokeless tobacco is just as harmful as smoking, when the science tells us it is about 99% less risky. This has been going on for decades.
I don’t know why anyone would think vaping would be treated any differently by the tobacco control industry.
Perhaps regulators should be required to quantify the problem they claim exists and quantify the magnitude of the solution they propose. For example, they would need to specify the number of cases of “popcorn lung” that have been documented among e-cigarette users, and specify what that number would be after they implement their proposed solution. But then again, I am only dreaming because some clever wanker (did I use that term correctly) will dream up a way to make it LOOK LIKE X cases of popcorn lung have occurred and publish his or her findings in the Journal of Public Panic.
Yes you did use that term correctly.
Diacetyl in e-liquid does not cause popcorn lung.
“The disease(OB or popcorn lung) appears in different forms, depending on the type of dust you inhale. One of the most common forms is black lung disease, also known as miner’s lung. It’s caused by breathing in coal dust. Another is brown lung, which comes from working around dust from cotton or other fibers. Other types of dusts that can cause pneumoconiosis include silica and asbestos. Diacetyl, the compound used to give movie popcorn its buttery flavor, also can lead to the disease. This is known as popcorn lung. ”
The idiom that comes to mind, “we are our worst enemy” when reading this article. People are afraid of the unknown, especially smokers. Many advocacy groups do more harm than good. For instance, the NRA (National Rifle Association) followers and members. They are “gung-ho” about protecting themselves with guns. The truth of the matter is that the 2nd Amendment has been detrimental to having a peaceful life here in the U.S.
Groups that advocate against the vaping industry are worried about the effects of vaping products. The problem is that they believe what media and government bodies are telling them. Why would anyone believe what the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) has to say when regulating an industry that has helped millions quit smoking cigarettes? We just do not take the time to do our due diligence. We shoot from the gut, instead doing our research.
We Americans are just idiotic, think about our current Presidential race. We have the most corrupted politician; who just won the Democratic nomination. Then we have Donald Trump, who is a racist bigot and shady business owner. And, the reality on the ground, that one of these two evils are going to be living in the White House for the next four years. I think I will be moving to Toronto soon.
The nature of people, we believe everything we see on TV, and we do not take the time to educate ourselves. We are so busy with social media, the latest celebrity divorce, or some love song that touches our hearts.
As they say, “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” we need to get out our comfort zone and find truth, and when we find it, we need to expose that truth.
Long live the vaping industry, and our vaping devices represent resistance against Big Tobacco and Big Pharma!
Here is two-minute read on e-cig versus tobacco
Clive should not be so selective in reading the latest research which shows that those who vape also have a much higher likelihood of smoking. The industry is playing both hands here and they know they are on a winner when supposed health advocates are pushing people to vape!
Highly articulate response based on personal biases and no cited evidence. Real class Para.
What a great advocate for the tobacco industry you are Clive, knowing that Big Tobacco has bought into vaping products. And we do believe they have done it for the health of their consumers . IF you believe that l have some swamp land you may be interested in buying. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-smokers-vaping-idUSKBN19A2FD